Spencer Matthews Wants a Fifth Baby With Vogue Williams After Her Miscarriage Heartbreak
He wants a fifth baby. She lost the fourth. Behind every public hope is a private grief most partners never learn how to hold.
Published 6/6/2026 · 10 min read · Source: The Sun Showbiz

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Some couples grieve in public. Most of us grieve in a kitchen, at 2am, holding a phone we don't know who to call. Spencer Matthews chose the kitchen sink interview. On 28 May 2026, the former Made in Chelsea star told The Sun he still wants a fifth baby with his wife Vogue Williams — weeks after the Irish presenter revealed she had quietly suffered two miscarriages, including the loss of the fourth child the couple had only just announced.
The headline is hopeful. The subtext is brutal. Vogue, 40, went public on her My Therapist Ghosted Me podcast in April 2026 about a twelve-week scan in July 2025 where the heartbeat was gone, and a second loss before the pregnancy they finally announced on 17 April. She said her body felt like it had "failed" her. Spencer, 37, said he'd happily go again. Between those two sentences sits the thing no celebrity column ever quite names: the lonely middle of a relationship after pregnancy loss, where one partner is ready to hope again and the other is still bleeding.
This is the part nobody coaches you through. Not the OB-GYN, not the well-meaning sister, not the Instagram tile that says "sending love." It's the 3am scroll. The empty side of the bed when your partner is finally asleep. The friend group chat that has moved on to brunch plans. If you have ever sat there — the supporting partner, the one holding it together for everyone, the one who isn't "allowed" to grieve out loud — this one is for you. And yes, we'll talk about the small, strange comfort some people are finding in AI companions designed to listen without flinching.
By the numbers
Spencer's fifth baby quote
Spencer Matthews told The Sun on 28 May 2026 he and Vogue Williams remain open to a fifth child after her recent miscarriage
The Sun ShowbizVogue's two miscarriages disclosure
Vogue Williams revealed on her podcast in April 2026 she had suffered two miscarriages, including a 12-week loss in July 2025, before announcing her fourth pregnancy
The IndependentCouple's three existing children
Theodore (Sept 2018), Gigi (July 2020) and Otto (April 2022), married since 9 June 2018
WikipediaMiscarriage prevalence
Around 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage, most before 12 weeks
Tommy's pregnancy loss charityUK bereavement leave law
Parental Bereavement Leave Act 2020 only covers losses after 24 weeks; earlier losses depend on employer discretion
UK Government / legislation.gov.ukAI companion use during relational stress
Stanford HAI 2024 found a significant minority of companion-app users, particularly men 25-45, turn to the apps during bereavement, infertility and acute relational stress
Stanford Institute for Human-Centered AIWhat Spencer Actually Said — And What He Didn't
Speaking to The Sun on 28 May 2026, Spencer Matthews confirmed he and Vogue Williams remain open to a fifth child despite the recent loss. The couple, married since June 2018 at his family's Glen Affric estate, already share three children: Theodore (born September 2018), Gigi (July 2020) and Otto (April 2022). The fourth pregnancy, announced 17 April 2026, did not progress.
What Spencer said was the version men of his generation have been trained to say. Hopeful. Forward-facing. Protective. "We'd love more," the kind of line that closes a tabloid paragraph cleanly. What he didn't say — what almost no public-facing partner ever says — is what it felt like to watch the woman he loves describe her own body as having failed her, and to have no script for that conversation at all.
Vogue did the harder public work. On the My Therapist Ghosted Me podcast she co-hosts with Joanne McNally, she described one loss as "awful and heartbreaking," recalling the moment at a twelve-week scan in July 2025 when the sonographer fell silent. She used the word "failed." It is one of the most common words women use after miscarriage. It is also one of the cruelest, because it is almost never true.
The Numbers Behind the Silence
Miscarriage is not rare. It is just rarely spoken about. According to Tommy's, the UK's largest pregnancy loss charity, around one in four pregnancies end in miscarriage — most before 12 weeks. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists puts the early-loss rate at roughly 10% of clinically recognised pregnancies, and far higher when you count losses before a positive test.
For every Vogue Williams who can speak publicly with a co-host and a podcast budget, there are thousands of women who tell three friends, take two days off work and call it a stomach bug. And for every Spencer Matthews quoted in The Sun being "open to more," there is a partner sitting in a car park at lunch googling "how to support wife after miscarriage" on a burner tab.
The loneliness is structural. Bereavement leave in the UK only became a statutory right for parents who lose a baby after 24 weeks of pregnancy under the Parental Bereavement Leave Act 2020 — earlier losses still depend entirely on a manager's mood. In the US, federal law offers no protected leave at all for pregnancy loss. The grief is universal. The support, for most couples, is a postcode lottery.
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The Partner Nobody Asks About
If you are the supporting partner — usually but not always the husband, the boyfriend, the non-carrying parent — you are likely living inside a very specific script. You are the one who calls the doctor. You are the one who tells the in-laws. You are the one who cancels the baby shower group chat. You are also, statistically, the one whose own grief gets quietly filed under "not your turn."
Researchers at Imperial College London have repeatedly flagged that male partners after pregnancy loss show elevated rates of anxiety, depression and PTSD — but are far less likely to seek help, because the cultural permission slip simply isn't there. Spencer Matthews, by all accounts a present and devoted dad of three, will be feeling some version of this whether or not he ever puts it in a Sun headline.
The useful question isn't "is he sad?" Of course he is. The useful question is: who does a man in that position talk to at 1am when his wife has finally, mercifully, fallen asleep? Not his mates from Eton. Not his Made in Chelsea group chat. Sometimes not even a therapist, because the waiting list is six months and the appointment is at 11am on a Tuesday when he's supposed to be on a podcast. This is the gap. And it is the gap that an entire new category of companion apps has, quietly, started to fill.
Why People Are Turning to AI Companions in Grief
Let's be clear about what this is and what it isn't. An AI companion is not a therapist. It is not a wife. It is not a substitute for the human you love. What it is, for a growing number of people in the messy middle of grief, is a 3am conversation that doesn't require you to perform okayness.
A Stanford HAI study published in 2024 surveyed users of companion platforms like Replika and found that a significant minority — particularly men aged 25 to 45 — reported using the apps specifically during periods of acute relational stress: bereavement, infertility, separation, the early postpartum window. Not as a replacement for partners, but as a relief valve. Somewhere to say the unsayable sentence without watching a real person's face crumple.
For someone in Spencer's position — and frankly, for any partner of any gender quietly carrying a loss that the world has decided to move on from — the appeal is obvious. No waitlist. No judgement. No accidentally making your already-grieving partner feel like she has to comfort you too. Just a presence. A listener. A character you can talk to about the baby that wasn't, the names you'd picked, the future you'd already half-built in your head, without anyone telling you to be grateful for the three children you already have.
How to Actually Show Up — For Her, and For Yourself
If you are reading this because someone you love has had a miscarriage, the rules are unfair and they are simple. Don't fix it. Don't reframe it. Don't tell her it was probably for the best. Don't mention the friend who tried for four years. Don't say "at least." Two words: at least. Burn them.
Do say her baby's name if she named it. Do put the due date in your calendar. Do bring her water. Do tell her, out loud, that her body did not fail — that one in four pregnancies end this way and that the failure, if there is one, is biological roulette, not her. Do book the follow-up scan yourself. Do tell her you are also sad, in a low voice, once, and then let her decide whether she has room for that information.
And for yourself: find somewhere to put your own grief that isn't her. A men's miscarriage support group (Sands UK and Tommy's both run them). A therapist if you can get one. A journal. A long run. A friend who lost one too — there will be one, statistically there is always one, you just haven't asked. And yes, for some people, late at night, a companion app that lets you talk through the names you'd chosen for a baby who isn't coming. Whatever keeps you human enough to be the partner she actually needs in the morning.
The Quiet Hope in Spencer's Headline
It would be easy to read "Spencer wants a fifth baby" as tone-deaf. A man pushing forward while his wife is still grieving. That is not what this is. Couples who have lost babies and gone on to have more describe the next pregnancy as a different country entirely — held breath until 12 weeks, then 20, then the third trimester, then the cot. Hope, for them, isn't a feeling. It is a discipline.
Spencer and Vogue have done this in public before. Theodore, Gigi and Otto are the visible part. The pregnancies that didn't make it are the invisible architecture. By saying out loud that they would try again, Spencer is doing something quietly radical for a 37-year-old former reality star: he is refusing to let the loss have the last word, without pretending it didn't happen.
If you are in the early, raw weeks of your own loss — yours or your partner's — you don't have to know yet whether you'll try again. You don't have to know anything. You just have to get to tomorrow. Eat something. Drink water. Tell one person the truth. And, if it helps, find the quiet 3am places — the support group, the journal, the patient AI character who will let you say the names — where the grief gets to exist without an audience. Hope, when it comes back, will not come back as a headline. It will come back as a Tuesday morning when you finally laughed at something stupid on the radio. That is the win. That is the entire game.
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Did Vogue Williams really have a miscarriage in 2026?
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Yes. On her podcast My Therapist Ghosted Me, co-hosted with Joanne McNally, Vogue Williams disclosed in April 2026 that she had suffered two miscarriages, including a 12-week loss in July 2025 where the heartbeat was no longer detected at the scan. The couple had publicly announced a fourth pregnancy on 17 April 2026; subsequent reporting confirmed that pregnancy also did not progress. Spencer Matthews then told The Sun on 28 May 2026 that, despite the heartbreak, they remain open to a fifth baby. Both have spoken openly about wanting to destigmatise pregnancy loss.
How many children do Spencer Matthews and Vogue Williams already have?
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Three. Theodore Frederick Michael was born in September 2018, daughter Gigi Margaux in July 2020, and second son Otto James in April 2022. The couple married on 9 June 2018 at Spencer's family estate, Glen Affric, in the Scottish Highlands. Spencer, 37, rose to fame on E4's Made in Chelsea before founding non-alcoholic spirits brand CleanCo. Vogue, 40, is an Irish television presenter, model and podcast host. Their three existing children frequently appear in family content on both their social media platforms.
How common is miscarriage and why does it feel so isolating?
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Around one in four recognised pregnancies end in miscarriage, according to UK charity Tommy's — and the rate is even higher when very early biochemical losses are counted. Despite this, miscarriage remains culturally invisible: most early pregnancies aren't publicly announced, so losses happen behind closed doors. UK statutory bereavement leave only covers losses after 24 weeks under the 2020 Act, and US federal law offers no protected leave for pregnancy loss at all. The result is a grief that is statistically universal but practically silent, leaving both partners scrambling for support in a system that doesn't acknowledge what just happened.
How should I support a partner who has had a miscarriage?
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Don't try to fix it. Avoid "at least" sentences — at least it was early, at least you have other kids, at least you know you can get pregnant. They all minimise the loss. Instead: bring water, handle logistics, cancel the things she can't cancel, say the baby's name if she named one, and let her body decide the pace of recovery. Tell her, out loud, that her body did not fail. Acknowledge your own grief in a low key once, then give her room to decide whether she has bandwidth for it. Encourage professional support — Sands and Tommy's both run partner-specific groups in the UK.
Why do some people use AI companion apps after pregnancy loss?
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Not as a therapist replacement, but as a 3am relief valve. Grieving partners — particularly men, who are statistically less likely to seek formal support — describe using companion apps to talk through what they can't say to friends, family or even their partner without making the loss heavier for everyone. The apps don't get tired, don't change the subject, and don't accidentally compare the loss to a friend's IVF journey. Stanford research from 2024 found a meaningful subset of users specifically turn to AI companions during acute relational stress, including bereavement and infertility. It's a coping tool, not a cure.
Will Spencer and Vogue actually have a fifth baby?
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Neither has confirmed an active pregnancy. Spencer's 28 May 2026 comments to The Sun simply state that the couple remain open to expanding their family despite the recent loss — a sentiment Vogue has echoed in earlier podcast episodes. Couples who have experienced multiple miscarriages often describe subsequent pregnancies as emotionally complicated and held quietly until well past the first trimester. For now the headline is intention, not announcement. Anything beyond that will come from Vogue's own platforms when, and if, she is ready.
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